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> <channel><title>Comments on: While St Peter investigates the inevitable asterisk</title> <atom:link href="http://www.chrisrand.com/hmhb/while-st-peter-investigates-the-inevitable-asterisk/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.chrisrand.com/hmhb/while-st-peter-investigates-the-inevitable-asterisk/</link> <description>Busking this at Embankment Tube tomorrow</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 02:30:21 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Cardinal</title><link>http://www.chrisrand.com/hmhb/while-st-peter-investigates-the-inevitable-asterisk/comment-page-1/#comment-52852</link> <dc:creator>Cardinal</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2011 15:17:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.chrisrand.com/hmhb/while-st-peter-investigates-the-inevitable-asterisk/#comment-52852</guid> <description>Re posts 3 &amp; 4 above-- the extra-s debate is particularly interesting, in light of the remonstration against such in &quot;Shit Arm, Bad Tattoo&quot;, one song previous...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re posts 3 &amp; 4 above&#8211; the extra-s debate is particularly interesting, in light of the remonstration against such in &#8220;Shit Arm, Bad Tattoo&#8221;, one song previous&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Charles Exford</title><link>http://www.chrisrand.com/hmhb/while-st-peter-investigates-the-inevitable-asterisk/comment-page-1/#comment-29145</link> <dc:creator>Charles Exford</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2011 19:08:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.chrisrand.com/hmhb/while-st-peter-investigates-the-inevitable-asterisk/#comment-29145</guid> <description>Since this suggestion was proposed I have stood at the front countless times watching carefully, with an open mind natch* as NB57 formed the /f&#039;/of therefore.
Beyond all reasonable doubt.
*I may well be deciding to embark upon a spurious campaign of unnecessary-but-entirely-harmless abbreviations, just to see who I can irk.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this suggestion was proposed I have stood at the front countless times watching carefully, with an open mind natch* as NB57 formed the /f&#8217;/of therefore.</p><p>Beyond all reasonable doubt.</p><p>*I may well be deciding to embark upon a spurious campaign of unnecessary-but-entirely-harmless abbreviations, just to see who I can irk.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Chris The Siteowner</title><link>http://www.chrisrand.com/hmhb/while-st-peter-investigates-the-inevitable-asterisk/comment-page-1/#comment-29134</link> <dc:creator>Chris The Siteowner</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2011 18:01:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.chrisrand.com/hmhb/while-st-peter-investigates-the-inevitable-asterisk/#comment-29134</guid> <description>Vendor: Thanks for pointing out (elsewhere) that I&#039;d omitted to change the &quot;board&quot; line. But I just don&#039;t hear it. If it was &quot;board&quot;, the song would then be missing a &quot;therefore&quot; before &quot;I propose&quot;, otherwise it really wouldn&#039;t work. I will certainly admit defeat gracefully if anyone else agrees with &quot;board&quot;, of course, but what do others think? At the moment I&#039;m definitely in a minority, it would appear.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vendor: Thanks for pointing out (elsewhere) that I&#8217;d omitted to change the &#8220;board&#8221; line. But I just don&#8217;t hear it. If it was &#8220;board&#8221;, the song would then be missing a &#8220;therefore&#8221; before &#8220;I propose&#8221;, otherwise it really wouldn&#8217;t work. I will certainly admit defeat gracefully if anyone else agrees with &#8220;board&#8221;, of course, but what do others think? At the moment I&#8217;m definitely in a minority, it would appear.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Germ</title><link>http://www.chrisrand.com/hmhb/while-st-peter-investigates-the-inevitable-asterisk/comment-page-1/#comment-10893</link> <dc:creator>Germ</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 26 Sep 2010 13:33:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.chrisrand.com/hmhb/while-st-peter-investigates-the-inevitable-asterisk/#comment-10893</guid> <description>Totally agree that it&#039;s &quot;they don&#039;t know their board&quot;,it&#039;s what I sing!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agree that it&#8217;s &#8220;they don&#8217;t know their board&#8221;,it&#8217;s what I sing!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Vendor of Quack Nostrums</title><link>http://www.chrisrand.com/hmhb/while-st-peter-investigates-the-inevitable-asterisk/comment-page-1/#comment-10891</link> <dc:creator>Vendor of Quack Nostrums</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 26 Sep 2010 12:00:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.chrisrand.com/hmhb/while-st-peter-investigates-the-inevitable-asterisk/#comment-10891</guid> <description>Sorry to bring this up again but pedantry should not be defeated by an initial rebuttal.  I&#039;ve listened to 45-50 seconds in an unreasonable amount of times and it is a definite &#039;be&#039; sound after &#039;there&#039;,  which is actually &#039;their&#039; not &#039;there&#039;.
It is definitely &#039;I know that they don&#039;t know their board. I propose....&#039;  It makes much more sense than &#039; I know that they don’t know, therefore I propose.....&#039;.  If it was the latter then, strictly speaking, the sentence needs a demonstrative pronoun.  It should be &#039; I know that they don’t know that, therefore I propose.....&#039; which it obviously isn&#039;t.
However, even allowing for incorrect usage I will still argue for &#039;I know that they don&#039;t know their board&#039;, on the grounds that it is a really well  crafted line.  &#039;He knows his board&#039; was a comment muttered with grudging respect during my short lived career on a pub darts team in the mid 80s.  Never unfortunately delivered in my direction.  A darts player who &#039;knows his board&#039; knows all of his &#039;outs&#039; (eg. 101 can be achieved with a checkout of Triple 17 and Bull).  It therefore fits the theme of the verse which is that in Soap Opera darts &#039;cheers are raised for the bull&#039; for no reason other than the participant has managed to hit the exact centre of the board, rather than realising that there might be some significance in that event in terms of the game.  In other words he doesn&#039;t know his board as he hasn&#039;t realised that the bull is in fact &#039;a double and an out&#039;.  The spectators are merely cheering the fact that he has hit the smallest target on the board.
Pedants, it&#039;s over to you!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to bring this up again but pedantry should not be defeated by an initial rebuttal.  I&#8217;ve listened to 45-50 seconds in an unreasonable amount of times and it is a definite &#8216;be&#8217; sound after &#8216;there&#8217;,  which is actually &#8216;their&#8217; not &#8216;there&#8217;.</p><p> It is definitely &#8216;I know that they don&#8217;t know their board. I propose&#8230;.&#8217;  It makes much more sense than &#8216; I know that they don’t know, therefore I propose&#8230;..&#8217;.  If it was the latter then, strictly speaking, the sentence needs a demonstrative pronoun.  It should be &#8216; I know that they don’t know that, therefore I propose&#8230;..&#8217; which it obviously isn&#8217;t.</p><p> However, even allowing for incorrect usage I will still argue for &#8216;I know that they don&#8217;t know their board&#8217;, on the grounds that it is a really well  crafted line.  &#8216;He knows his board&#8217; was a comment muttered with grudging respect during my short lived career on a pub darts team in the mid 80s.  Never unfortunately delivered in my direction.  A darts player who &#8216;knows his board&#8217; knows all of his &#8216;outs&#8217; (eg. 101 can be achieved with a checkout of Triple 17 and Bull).  It therefore fits the theme of the verse which is that in Soap Opera darts &#8216;cheers are raised for the bull&#8217; for no reason other than the participant has managed to hit the exact centre of the board, rather than realising that there might be some significance in that event in terms of the game.  In other words he doesn&#8217;t know his board as he hasn&#8217;t realised that the bull is in fact &#8216;a double and an out&#8217;.  The spectators are merely cheering the fact that he has hit the smallest target on the board.</p><p>Pedants, it&#8217;s over to you!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Charles Exford</title><link>http://www.chrisrand.com/hmhb/while-st-peter-investigates-the-inevitable-asterisk/comment-page-1/#comment-5538</link> <dc:creator>Charles Exford</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 23:22:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.chrisrand.com/hmhb/while-st-peter-investigates-the-inevitable-asterisk/#comment-5538</guid> <description>Like Les, I’m very fond of this song. I love the way it starts jaunty, then goes slow and hesitant, “therefore ...I propose ....no ” but gradually gains strength, accelerating into a joyous-yet-angry romp of tune. It’s as if the first slow moan about darts in soap operas has been made propped up on pillows watching the telly after being poorly, but it’s a definite sign that he’s on the mend, and he’s soon surging out of convalescence with a  typically Blackwellian rant, made up of a collage of diverse images, mostly of them wonderfully silly but some slightly serious, set to an accelerating romp of a tune.
And of course there are literary quotes too. First the biblical-sounding language of iron entering people’s souls, a common saying over many centuries, but here it is in Thomas Hardy, writing about “Jude the Obscure”, in his letters, V2, 93:
&lt;em&gt;“This tragedy is addressed to those whose souls the iron has entered, and entered deeply, at some point in their lives.”
&lt;/em&gt;
But in the previous line, we’re in Aldeburgh on the Suffolk Coast, with George Crabbe (born 1754) writing hard-hitting rhymes about his local poorhouse:
&lt;em&gt;“There children dwell who know no parents’ care;
Parents, who know no children’s love, dwell there!
Heart-broken matrons on their joyless bed,
Forsaken wives, and mothers never wed;
Dejected widows with unheeded tears,
And crippled age with more than childhood fears.”&lt;/em&gt;
From “The Village”  (1783) by George Crabbe. A poem oft-quoted about C18 and C19  poorhouses.
[As well as Crabbe and Roy Keane, who walks his dog on the beach at Aldeburgh (as ITFC’s very own Chris Rand will doubtless attest), other notable residents of this famous historical town have included Benjamin Britten (who based “Peter Grimes” on Crabbe’s lyrics) ... and M.R. James, another favourite author of NB57. Small world.]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Les, I’m very fond of this song. I love the way it starts jaunty, then goes slow and hesitant, “therefore &#8230;I propose &#8230;.no ” but gradually gains strength, accelerating into a joyous-yet-angry romp of tune. It’s as if the first slow moan about darts in soap operas has been made propped up on pillows watching the telly after being poorly, but it’s a definite sign that he’s on the mend, and he’s soon surging out of convalescence with a  typically Blackwellian rant, made up of a collage of diverse images, mostly of them wonderfully silly but some slightly serious, set to an accelerating romp of a tune.</p><p>And of course there are literary quotes too. First the biblical-sounding language of iron entering people’s souls, a common saying over many centuries, but here it is in Thomas Hardy, writing about “Jude the Obscure”, in his letters, V2, 93:<br
/> <em>“This tragedy is addressed to those whose souls the iron has entered, and entered deeply, at some point in their lives.”<br
/> </em><br
/> But in the previous line, we’re in Aldeburgh on the Suffolk Coast, with George Crabbe (born 1754) writing hard-hitting rhymes about his local poorhouse:<br
/> <em>“There children dwell who know no parents’ care;<br
/> Parents, who know no children’s love, dwell there!<br
/> Heart-broken matrons on their joyless bed,<br
/> Forsaken wives, and mothers never wed;<br
/> Dejected widows with unheeded tears,<br
/> And crippled age with more than childhood fears.”</em></p><p>From “The Village”  (1783) by George Crabbe. A poem oft-quoted about C18 and C19  poorhouses.</p><p>[As well as Crabbe and Roy Keane, who walks his dog on the beach at Aldeburgh (as ITFC’s very own Chris Rand will doubtless attest), other notable residents of this famous historical town have included Benjamin Britten (who based “Peter Grimes” on Crabbe’s lyrics) ... and M.R. James, another favourite author of NB57. Small world.]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Third rate Les</title><link>http://www.chrisrand.com/hmhb/while-st-peter-investigates-the-inevitable-asterisk/comment-page-1/#comment-5534</link> <dc:creator>Third rate Les</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 12:57:31 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.chrisrand.com/hmhb/while-st-peter-investigates-the-inevitable-asterisk/#comment-5534</guid> <description>Therefore for me, no question.  It goes with the &quot;I propose&quot; in a faintly overblown style for comic effect.
One of my absolute all-time favourites.  I love the contrast between the drama of the music and the sheer daftness of the lyrics as it builds up at the end, and the hyperactive kid line makes me laugh every time - a line that sums up so much in such a briefly dismissive way (a bit like the &quot;James Dean/Marilyn Monroe&quot; one, I always think).</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Therefore for me, no question.  It goes with the &#8220;I propose&#8221; in a faintly overblown style for comic effect.</p><p>One of my absolute all-time favourites.  I love the contrast between the drama of the music and the sheer daftness of the lyrics as it builds up at the end, and the hyperactive kid line makes me laugh every time &#8211; a line that sums up so much in such a briefly dismissive way (a bit like the &#8220;James Dean/Marilyn Monroe&#8221; one, I always think).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: John Anderson</title><link>http://www.chrisrand.com/hmhb/while-st-peter-investigates-the-inevitable-asterisk/comment-page-1/#comment-5533</link> <dc:creator>John Anderson</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 10:40:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.chrisrand.com/hmhb/while-st-peter-investigates-the-inevitable-asterisk/#comment-5533</guid> <description>Another vote for &quot;therefore&quot;.  It&#039;s simply a conjunction.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another vote for &#8220;therefore&#8221;.  It&#8217;s simply a conjunction.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Neil G</title><link>http://www.chrisrand.com/hmhb/while-st-peter-investigates-the-inevitable-asterisk/comment-page-1/#comment-5524</link> <dc:creator>Neil G</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 23:50:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.chrisrand.com/hmhb/while-st-peter-investigates-the-inevitable-asterisk/#comment-5524</guid> <description>&#039;Therefore&#039;, to my ears, and it makes more sense.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Therefore&#8217;, to my ears, and it makes more sense.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Chris The Siteowner</title><link>http://www.chrisrand.com/hmhb/while-st-peter-investigates-the-inevitable-asterisk/comment-page-1/#comment-5522</link> <dc:creator>Chris The Siteowner</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 20:20:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.chrisrand.com/hmhb/while-st-peter-investigates-the-inevitable-asterisk/#comment-5522</guid> <description>Hmm, anyone else?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, anyone else?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
